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alabbasi

USA
2834 Posts

Posted - 01/01/2018 :  00:51:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
All, I've been taking a real interest in the M275AMG powered (S65/CL65/SL65/G65) cars. I'm amazed at the value these cars represent.

To me, the 65 AMG cars are the closest that you can get to a modern day M100. With 600+hp from V12 twin turbo, in a sleeper body, The S65 is not easy to distinguish from a regular S class, except that it super car performance.

The Maybach 57 and 62 could be considered as the successor of the Grand 600.

Does anyone in the group own an MB with this engine?

As I've taken an interest, I'd like to track these models and have purchased the website wwww.mb65amg.com and would be interested in hearing from any owners of these models for a registry.

Thanks.

With best regards

Al


Ron B

Australia
11579 Posts

Posted - 01/01/2018 :  02:18:27  Show Profile  Visit Ron B's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Theres a guy in the Queensland MB club with a CL65 . what a car!! .He admits that his ability as a driver is no where the capabilities of the car and he chickened out at 240 KPH when trying to see how fast it would go .. Hes the honorary consul for some African nation. I'll see if I have a pic of the car.
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daantjie

Canada
974 Posts

Posted - 01/01/2018 :  12:53:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How does the M275 compare against the M120? The M120 is a very highly regarded V12.

Daniel
1977 450 SEL 6.9
Vancouver, BC
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alabbasi

USA
2834 Posts

Posted - 01/01/2018 :  13:08:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've never owned an M120, aside from it being a couple of generations older, I don't know how to compare them. From a power perspective, there is none. The M120 made 380hp vs 493hp from the non AMG engines and 604hp from the AMG versions.

The M120 is an iconic engine in itself for being Mercedes Benz first production V12.

With best regards

Al



Edited by - alabbasi on 01/01/2018 13:28:37
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daantjie

Canada
974 Posts

Posted - 01/02/2018 :  14:48:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Fair enough on the hp front, but then again the M275 has twin turbo's, whereas the stock M120 is normally aspirated as far as I know, thus on the horsepower front it's not exactly apples to apples then?



Daniel
1977 450 SEL 6.9
Vancouver, BC
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alabbasi

USA
2834 Posts

Posted - 01/02/2018 :  17:35:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by daantjie

Fair enough on the hp front, but then again the M275 has twin turbo's, whereas the stock M120 is normally aspirated as far as I know, thus on the horsepower front it's not exactly apples to apples then?



That's why I declined to compare the M275 to the M120. I compare the S65(CL65)/Maybach 57 to the 6.3/6.9 and Grand 600 because to me, they're more natural successors in what their goals... which is being capable of carrying four fat men in comfort while giving a Ferrari a run for its money on a fast road.


With best regards

Al



Edited by - alabbasi on 01/02/2018 18:32:55
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arcijack

USA
461 Posts

Posted - 01/04/2018 :  00:12:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i have a neighbor that have one of these cars, he street race from time to time and beats just about everything in his path
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daantjie

Canada
974 Posts

Posted - 01/04/2018 :  12:00:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think what sets these massive V12's apart, especially in blown form is the effortless pull and power available from idle, and all the way to the top as far as the road and/or your guts reach the limit
Most folks who will try and "dice" you in a Corvette/Mustang or whatever would likely not have known what is lurking under the hood. If they have to shift for example, or wait for their power band to kick in they have no chance, especially if they got caught off guard off the line, no way they will catch up unless they also have some form of blower/gas lurking in there as well, and even then the look on their faces will be pretty priceless
Ultimately "there ain't no substitute for cubic inches", especially with twin turbos...


Daniel
1977 450 SEL 6.9
Vancouver, BC

Edited by - daantjie on 01/04/2018 13:55:18
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mpmorris

USA
1329 Posts

Posted - 01/04/2018 :  16:10:11  Show Profile  Visit mpmorris's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes, no substitute for cubic inches.

Back in the day (early '70s), a friend had a '63 Falcon V-8 small block with all the hot-rod goodies -really fast little car- spectacular off the line. Another friend had one of those plymouth/dodge 426 hemi cars (the one with the nose cone and wing off the back). Anyway, the guy with the Falcon challenged the Mopar for the 1/4 mile race. Watching this, the Falcon came off the line perfectly while the Mopar just sort of idled off the line (didn't want to burn his tires up). The falcon really looked like it had the race until the mopar (lumbering along)got about 1/2 way down the track and just walked by the falcon which was screaming with all of its available cubic inches to where the 426 never broke a sweat and probably never hit 4500 rpm. It was David and Goliath.

M.
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RobertStJohn

USA
17 Posts

Posted - 01/05/2018 :  00:33:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I can't imagine what driving the M275 would be like but the way I describe my M120 is turbine smoothness with locomotive thrust. Even though the M120 has buckets of torque all through the rpm range it really is a peaky engine. Passing through 3500 rpm it absolutely slams you into the seat back on its way to redline which seems to happen in microseconds (ask me how I know the rev limiter is not soft or gradual).

As far as I'm concerned any gearhead owes it to themselves to at least drive a V12 for a while in order to experience what engine perfection really is - (not to take away anything from the magnificent M100 which maybe I'll be lucky enough own and drive sometime).

R.F. St.John
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alabbasi

USA
2834 Posts

Posted - 01/05/2018 :  00:42:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just picked up a collision damaged S600 twin turbo for a parts car. It will be handy to have in order to keep my S55 and CL65 on the road. The S600 is quite a bargain. Inside, it's a nicer car than the S55 with electric rear seats, full leather interior and suede headliner. I'm now tempted to buy one as a driver.


With best regards

Al



Edited by - alabbasi on 01/05/2018 00:47:01
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daantjie

Canada
974 Posts

Posted - 01/05/2018 :  10:42:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A bit off topic, and I think this is the M137 V12 but holy cow listen to the sound this guy got with custom headers, amazing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN8pHJ3sQ0Q



Daniel
1977 450 SEL 6.9
Vancouver, BC
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daantjie

Canada
974 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2018 :  13:16:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by alabbasi

You haven't heard my CL65 :)


With best regards

Al






Well don't just tease us now..

Daniel
1977 450 SEL 6.9
Vancouver, BC
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alabbasi

USA
2834 Posts

Posted - 01/08/2018 :  21:18:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've been traveling like crazy but I'll pull it out when the weather gets better and shoot a video. It's at the shop and every time I go there, I get covered in dirt and don't want to touch it.

It doesn't pay to have nice cars. My S55 by contrast was bought at a salvage auction with hail damage. It looks so bad that you think that Tiger Woods tried to escape in it after he got caught cheating.

I drive the cr*p out of it.

With best regards

Al



Edited by - alabbasi on 01/08/2018 21:23:02
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MattR

USA
100 Posts

Posted - 01/09/2018 :  00:27:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've been contemplating picking up an 05-06 S65 as my next commuter, but I've heard that the coil packs for it are $2k/per, and you need either six or twelve of them (and they're a 75-100k service interval item?).

I love the car, but it's not the HP that makes it amazing: it's the torque: 730ft lbs. That's enough torque to tow a small country.

----------------
1976 450SE 6.9
aka Frankenbenz
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alabbasi

USA
2834 Posts

Posted - 01/09/2018 :  00:29:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Coil packs are about $1500 new and you need one per bank. There is a guy that rebuilds them. I figured that if my S600 parts car has good coil packs, I'm money ahead.

With best regards

Al


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