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mtrei

USA
3740 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2012 :  18:14:51  Show Profile  Visit mtrei's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I do have some rockers, but I think only the outside. I'll dig them up.
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EugeneGroysman

USA
120 Posts

Posted - 02/28/2012 :  18:23:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I finally had a chance to use my kwiklift.



Gas tank is out.



I removed air bellows and placed two pipe pieces to support rear end.



I would like to replace air bellows and as many rubber parts around possible.



On this picture, sand blasted parts from a donor car.



I need to make a list of parts and send it to Tom.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Eugene

1971 6.3
2011 S550 4matic
2011 ML350
1997 Porsche 993 C4S 'Kills bugs fast'.
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Art Love

Australia
6226 Posts

Posted - 02/29/2012 :  01:41:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'll give you a list for the rear excluding the diff-right axle boot.

Diff center mount 112 350 04 75

Trailing arm front rubbers 110 352 10 65 x 2 (Note that these go in only one way up and are marked "Unten" on the lower side - it is not the way up you would intuitively think)

Trailing arm rear mount repair kit 109 586 00 35 - most of these repair kits have been renumbered, but Tom will know. You need one each side - I'm not sure off the top of my head whether the kits come in a pair. The Parts Manual lists 1. Ask Tom.

Cross strut buffers 111 351 04 44 x 2

Rear air bags 112 320 00 21 x 2

Rear axle buffers 112 320 11 44 x 2

Rear torsion bar rubbers 112 326 02 81 x 4

Antidive lever front end kits 109 586 00 42 x 2 Again, there may be a new number.

I haven't included the antidive lever rear end bearing spacers as replacing them involves removing the rear axles.

You will find a lot about these jobs in the thread on "Justin's ex Rob Fulton 6.3" thread in the 6.3 Forum. The air bag replacement is in my articles in the last few Lode Stars. I think I have covered everything. Someone else can chirp in if I haven't.

Tom is away on holidays for a week from Friday.
Art
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Craig Tucker

Australia
654 Posts

Posted - 02/29/2012 :  07:55:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Pretty sure that the rear sway bar requires 6 bushes in total....all the same.


Regards C.T.

P.S., Art is totally correct in saying the front of the trailing arm bushes do infact go in, in a way that looks wrong..ie: that it is CORRECT for the small hole in the bush to go "up" towards the floor of the car, NOT down. Tip, use plenty of rubber grease on the inside of the bush (donut) and none on the the outside; helps pressing the donut up and it will not be forced out of the trailing arm. Oh, and press the bush not the arm! Fitment of the bushes the "correct looking way" (wrong) will drastically alter the handling characteristics of the car thus, resulting in un-wanted "rear wheel steer", almost to the point of being dangerous!

P.P.S.

It easy to put a small c@#k into a big hole......INCORRECT WAY.

It is harder putting a big c@#k into a small hole....CORRECT WAY.

C.T.
1969 300SEL 6.3 (to be AMG 6.8 replica) #1268
1971 300SEL 6.3 #5713
1970 600 SWB #1692
1993 300E-24
1959 220SE Ponton #9500929
1983 Schuler 5.0lt Range Rover

Edited by - Craig Tucker on 02/29/2012 08:57:59
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Art Love

Australia
6226 Posts

Posted - 02/29/2012 :  17:04:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There is actually a cone shaped tool for doing that job. I had one made years ago out of aluminium. You will see it in use in the Justin thread. You could make one up from a piece of broom handle or something similar.





Art
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wallie

Netherlands
108 Posts

Posted - 03/01/2012 :  12:18:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
When i look for the MB prices the air bellows ( http://newsroom.mercedes-benz-classic.com/?page_id=250&lang=en I don't know if i'm doing this the right way ) it states that they cost 214 euro's but is that the price for one or two bellows since the discription says bellows plural, not singular.
And do you have the part number for the part that makes the rear swing axle "swing" its made out of metal with vulcanized rubber, and a metal outer casing again. It slides over the connecting pin wich holds the right axle tube in place with the left axle tube and the support wich is mounted in the trunk. The part numbers i have don't seem to work anymore. I'm sorry if my discription is a little vague, i hope you understand what i mean.

Thanks,

Wolter
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Art Love

Australia
6226 Posts

Posted - 03/01/2012 :  16:47:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't know about Euro prices, but I would suspect it is for one. Part number for the part you are describing is 110 350 12 75. Parts Manual gives an option for 110 350 13 75 for the other W109 models, but not the 6.3.
Art
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EugeneGroysman

USA
120 Posts

Posted - 03/01/2012 :  19:03:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks to All for replies.
I read "Justin's" thread in the 6.3 Forum. It's very impressive and has a lot of useful information. Thank you, Eugene.

PS:I am thinking to paint the bottom of the car in grey and everything else in black for better observation.

1971 6.3
2011 S550 4matic
2011 ML350
1997 Porsche 993 C4S 'Kills bugs fast'.
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wallie

Netherlands
108 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2012 :  09:17:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the reply, I would hope it's for two bellows, only one way to find out i guess. I already tried that part number but it doesn't show up in the database so i would guess it's NLA? Could the part that's used on the other W109's also be used on the 6.3?

Wolter.

P.S. Sorry Eugene, I wont hijack your thread any further.
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Art Love

Australia
6226 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2012 :  17:43:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wolter,
Tom Hanson is on holidays for a week from today. I suggest you ask him if that part is NLA. I find it hard to believe that it is. I know we bought one for Justin's car a while back.
Art
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Ron B

Australia
11612 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2012 :  00:28:56  Show Profile  Visit Ron B's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Center pivot mount bush? .Yes they are available I have bought some recently for both W111 and W109.

quote:
12-14-2004, 11:49 PM #8
Tom Hanson
MBCA Member

What the heck, try to stuff a MB 6.9 liter V8 in it. What a machine that would be..
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Tom Hanson
Orange County Section
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wallie

Netherlands
108 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2012 :  07:13:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the reply's.
The reason why i'm asking this, is because i'm figuring out what the costs are of taking on a project like the 6.3. The buying price is just the beginning, restoring it will make one realize they should have bought a ticket to win the lottery

Wolter

Edited by - wallie on 03/03/2012 07:13:30
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EugeneGroysman

USA
120 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2012 :  20:55:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am thinking to remove rear axle and use one from my parts car but I am not sure if its correct year. How do I check if this rear axle is correct for my car. My car's vin# 109.018-12-004774.
Here are part numbers on the axle:
110.357.00.17
109 358 0222
109 358 0322
108 351 0501 N
108 357 0518




























1971 6.3
2011 S550 4matic
2011 ML350
1997 Porsche 993 C4S 'Kills bugs fast'.
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Art Love

Australia
6226 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2012 :  00:27:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Why do you want to swap it? Is there something wrong with the one on the car?
Art
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EugeneGroysman

USA
120 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2012 :  01:39:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
New rear rotors did not match. Probably someone swapped rear axle with earlier model. I have to remove the axle anyway in order to clean all rust underneath. I have to choose which one to install back. If spare axle is the same I guess it doesn't make sence to install it.

1971 6.3
2011 S550 4matic
2011 ML350
1997 Porsche 993 C4S 'Kills bugs fast'.
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