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ilpatino

Belgium
339 Posts

Posted - 11/29/2010 :  07:04:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi all,

There are all kind of different hoses present under the hood.

When working on #1452 yesterday, I noticed that a lot of the hoses were in pretty bad shape. Although they aren't easibly accesible, I am planning to replace almost all of the hoses and rubber "bridges" (e.g. the ones from the throttle housing).

Now, does anybody have some sort of list af all the different sizes and lengths of hoses and rubber joints?

Thanx!

Gunter

w109 6.3 #1452 '69
s124 300 TDT '90
Skoda Superb '09

Art Love

Australia
6237 Posts

Posted - 11/29/2010 :  07:47:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm happy to help and can probably provide you with what you want, but not tonight. It will take a bit of time.
Art
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ilpatino

Belgium
339 Posts

Posted - 11/29/2010 :  08:44:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No hurry Art, much appreciated your help! Concerning winter/summer, #1452 will hibernate for the time being. I'll pay her a visit once in a while, but due to salt on the roads here, she won't be able to come out for a few months I guess.

I do hope I don't pull a heap of rubbish out of the garage come next spring.

Gunter

w109 6.3 #1452 '69
s124 300 TDT '90
Skoda Superb '09
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Chris Johnson

USA
3751 Posts

Posted - 11/29/2010 :  13:33:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would encourage you to stay with original Mercedes branded hose. This is fantastic stuff.

In all cases, the critical dimension is the inside diameter. For example, if the hose fits over a 12 mm pipe then the hose ID needs to be 12 mm. In this particular example, the original hose would have had an outside diameter of 19 mm and a length appropriate for the application.

The problem is that Mercedes "standard" hose (N900271) has all grown by 2 mm on the outside diameter. What was origially 12x19 is now 12x21. This, by itself, isn't a problem but it interferes with the re-use of the original hose clamps since most are size specific. 19 mm hose clamps don't fit on 21 mm hose.

If some of your original clamps have already been replaced then the concern for originality is not there so much. On the other hand, you can also buy modern size-specific clamps that will at least keep the appearance of the car close to correct and then store away the original clamps.

Chris Johnson
If you aren't constantly impressed with your car, then it needs fixing.
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ilpatino

Belgium
339 Posts

Posted - 11/29/2010 :  17:00:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Chris, Art,

it's simple, as it used to be the crede at Mercedes, function over form. If the best material doesn't look the part, I don't care.

The problem is, there are so many little tubes here and there, I just don't know where to start. For example, the water-hoses on the throttle housing need replacing. When taking the housing of, they disintegrated. I made a temporary solution with some garden-hose, just to get it from the garage and back to home, but that gardenhose WILL have to be replaced if I'm going to take it out for longer drives. Also, further down I saw a similar hose that will have to be replaced as well.

So the info I'm looking for is; how many different sizes of water hose, I'll cut them at length myself, how many of them "pre-bent." What about fuel-hoses. Although they seem in pretty good shape, although I haven't made an inventory yet.

The plan is to get al the various hoses so I can replace them when I've got the time, rather than ordering them one piece at a time.

I know I'm hugely profiting from the vast amount of experience you guys have. Imagine doing something like buying and renovating a 6.3 some 20 years ago without the advantages of the internet. I would have ruined it (and myself) by now.

Gunter

w109 6.3 #1452 '69
s124 300 TDT '90
Skoda Superb '09

Edited by - ilpatino on 11/29/2010 17:01:24
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Ron B

Australia
11633 Posts

Posted - 11/29/2010 :  19:38:11  Show Profile  Visit Ron B's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You are lucky,you should be able to buy Metric hose where you are but try explaining metric sizing to the dills in the parts places here. It's all Chinese made hose in Imperial sizes.


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Art Love

Australia
6237 Posts

Posted - 11/29/2010 :  23:10:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'll do this in bits and pieces.

WATER HOSES.

Radiator top hose 100 203 04 82
bottom hose 100 203 07 82
clamps 916001 05000 x 4

Heater left hose 109 831 03 94
right hose 109 831 02 94
clamps 900269 025101

Water pump to heater pipe 900271 020001 buy by the metre
clamps 900269 027100 x 2

to MFI thermostat 900271 012001 buy by the metre
from MFI thermostat to left head 900271 012000 buy by the metre
clamps 900269 019100 x 4

engine thermostat to cross pipe 900271 042001 buy by the metre
cross pipe to cross pipe 900271 032002 buy by the metre
clamps 000 997 15 90 x 4

I think that is all the water hoses.

OIL HOSES.

Oil filter to air compressor 005 997 25 82

AIR HOSES.

Air cleaner to MFI two pieces 900271 010036 buy by the metre

Crankcase breathers on cylinder head covers to
scavenger pipe 121 094 02 91 x 2
Scavenger pipe to throttle body 127 997 03 82
clamps 900288 026001 x 2
900288 020006 x 4

Between the inlet manifolds at the front 315 997 09 82
clamps 900269 088100 x 2
Between the inlet manifolds at the rear 900271 038000 x 2
clamps 900269 046200 x 4

Vacuum line throttle body to distributor 000 158 01 35 buy by the metre.

POWER STEERING.

High pressure hose 109 997 30 82
Return hose 006 997 09 82 buy by the metre
clamps 916001 020000 x 2

FUEL HOSES.

Fuel pipe to filter 109 476 03 26
Filter to motor 100 476 16 26
Motor to return line 109 476 01 26

That's all I can think of at the moment. All these clamp numbers are from my old Parts Catalogues will upgrade to current M-B clamps. A lot of the hose part numbers will as well. As you are in Europe, I guess you will deal with the Classic Center there or the dealer. If you have trouble, get back to us, because we can get upgraded numbers from Tom Hanson at the USA Classic Center of from our own records.

Some of the high pressure lines can be rebuilt reusing the end pieces. The oil line to the air compressor and the return fuel line hose are the most important if they have not been replaced already.
Art



Edited by - Art Love on 11/29/2010 23:13:23
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ilpatino

Belgium
339 Posts

Posted - 11/30/2010 :  04:07:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Art, that is pure gold!

many many thanks. I can't begin to think how much work you've saved me. If you ever happen to be near Antwerp in Belgium, I'm gonna buy you several drinks. Belgium isn't known for a lot of good things, but beer shure is one of them, well, if you like beer anyhow. (come to think of it, I'll better throw a party for all you fantastic guys here)

Gunter

w109 6.3 #1452 '69
s124 300 TDT '90
Skoda Superb '09
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olliw109

Germany
385 Posts

Posted - 11/30/2010 :  07:19:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello Gunter,
I went through this (and a lot more) before I got 5327 where he is now! I really dont want to disillusion you but...it starts only with the hoses....esp. when your requirements are like yours are(and mine as well!!).
At one time you have to decide whether you cross the border...or not which you did when you bought the car....
You have to face the fact that -regrettably- it wont make -sense- (as the countervalue you create does not increase in the same amount as your investment in money and time). But your heart will jump!!
I would assume that I have leavings of all needed sizes from my resto as I replaced them ALL (as well as almost ALL rubber parts)...plan your trip for the spring!!

300 SEL 6.3 3478+5327
Oliver
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Art Love

Australia
6237 Posts

Posted - 11/30/2010 :  07:53:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gunter,
When I have some time, I'll try to upgrade some of those part numbers to current from what I know. That is a sort of preliminary list to use as a basis that I had time to do today. Oliver is right about ending up with a lot of left over hose - you have to buy a metre to use about 10 cm in a lot of cases. It makes sense to share with someone if you live close enough. You will also note that the hose part numbers often include the inside diameter of the hose in mm as part of the number and the some of the clamp numbers include a similar figure. So, in some cases, where you have bought hose for another reason, you can use it elsewhere. The important thing is to ensure that it is the correct type of hose for the job.
Art
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ilpatino

Belgium
339 Posts

Posted - 11/30/2010 :  07:59:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi oliver, well it is a labour of love.

Regarding the left-overs from your tube-renovations (is that a correct word), I won't mind to pay for shipping-costs if you send some parts in a cardboard box. That should still be cheaper than ordering them from MB directly. Maybe you can include the time-relay for the interior lighting (if it works ) and if you have one, the switch for the glove-box-lighting which I ruined trying to get the ashtrayhousing out.

I did set myself a monthly financial barrier though, 'cause cotst could get out of proportions really quickly I already understand.

The aim for me is to create a technically dependable motor and drive-train. I like the "patinated" look, so I'm not after some-sort of show stopper.

But I do have to keep my mind focussed, because when you stand at the bottom of a hill, it may seem very high up, but when you take it one step at a time, you eventuelly will reach the top.

This was the case last sunday when I found (not to my surprise though) that #1452 ran worse after cleaning the throttle-housing, and when I found that the left CSV leaked internally. I was a bit depressed at that point, because it was freezing outside, I only have a garage for storing, not for working. But it was one more difficult job done, and a possible source for the rich-running found, so progress after all!

Anyhow, the very knowledgable people here keep me on the straight and narrow, and their (and yours of course) expertise reminds me that if people made it (the 6.3 that is) then other people can mend it!

Gunter

w109 6.3 #1452 '69
s124 300 TDT '90
Skoda Superb '09

Edited by - ilpatino on 11/30/2010 08:06:04
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ilpatino

Belgium
339 Posts

Posted - 11/30/2010 :  08:08:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Art Love

Gunter,
When I have some time, I'll try to upgrade some of those part numbers to current from what I know. That is a sort of preliminary list to use as a basis that I had time to do today. Oliver is right about ending up with a lot of left over hose - you have to buy a metre to use about 10 cm in a lot of cases. It makes sense to share with someone if you live close enough. You will also note that the hose part numbers often include the inside diameter of the hose in mm as part of the number and the some of the clamp numbers include a similar figure. So, in some cases, where you have bought hose for another reason, you can use it elsewhere. The important thing is to ensure that it is the correct type of hose for the job.
Art



Thanx Art, I will wait patiently. Take your time, weather here doesn't permit me to do any jobs as it is. I will have the time though to start an inventory of parts needed to start the renovations in earnest come next spring. I've set myself a goal to take the family on a holiday next summer.

Gunter

w109 6.3 #1452 '69
s124 300 TDT '90
Skoda Superb '09
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olliw109

Germany
385 Posts

Posted - 11/30/2010 :  08:24:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gunter;
I will try to send you a pre X-mas parcel within the next days. Guess I have your adress already? If not send it to my private E-mail which you know. Resend me what you dont need. I will also include extra O-rings for the cold-start-valve which I have somewhere....those little sweet rings....

300 SEL 6.3 3478+5327
Oliver
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ilpatino

Belgium
339 Posts

Posted - 11/30/2010 :  13:49:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Oliver,

In these cold, dark days before Christmas, you truly warm my hart. Now I MUST come and visit you come springtime. I'll bring you some local specialities (ever heard of Westmalle Trappist, I mean REAL trappist-beer?). It's brewed about 10 km's from here, and as we say here; It's like little angels pissing on your tongue

Gunter

w109 6.3 #1452 '69
s124 300 TDT '90
Skoda Superb '09
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olliw109

Germany
385 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2010 :  12:43:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
OT:
Hi Gunter,
some years ago I was in Brussels from time to time handling business matters...
What I found amazing most (besides excellent gastronomy) was the variety of beer types that were offered around, from cherry to other "exceptional flavours". Wasnt there even one with a cinnamon taste?Hm, too long ago.
A friend of mine is a member of the Europ.parliament, he is ALWAYS happy when he comes back on weekends and enjoys the local beers here around all brewed in accordance with the German (Bavarian) Reinheitsgebot from 1516!!.
I am really looking forward to meeting you next year!!Dont forget to bring your beer with you.

300 SEL 6.3 3478+5327
Oliver
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ilpatino

Belgium
339 Posts

Posted - 12/08/2010 :  18:06:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Oliver,

Because you made the effort to send me the hoses, I'm going to do something for you too!

1. As of wednesday, I didn't recieve your package, but I am patient.
2. When we meet in the spring of 2011 you are in for a treat; instead of a case of Westmalle Trappist beer, I'm going to make a selection of the best beers Belgium has to offer. I'm thinking of;
Westmalle Trappist
Sint Bernardus 12 (Heavenly beer, but two or three of them and you will be quite drunk)
Chimay Bleue
Orval
Leffe Blond
As to the "Reinheitsgebot" 2 years ago, I went with some friends to Stuttgart, and visited the Mercedes Museum. Regarding the German beer, well, suffice to say I was happy to return to Belgium after the mother of all headaches

A bit off topic, but IMHO a true car-lover should know a good beer as well

Gunter

w109 6.3 #1452 '69
s124 300 TDT '90
Skoda Superb '09
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