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Art Love

Australia
6226 Posts

Posted - 04/30/2009 :  08:33:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Paul,
I have a question for you. Based on your experience dealing with cars from different manufacturers, how many other car manufacturers do you know that can still supply a significant number of body panels for vehicles from 40 years ago? I have always been impressed by M-B's spare parts supply. I am not talking about aftermarket manufacturers, but factory support.
Art
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pjtigger

United Kingdom
153 Posts

Posted - 04/30/2009 :  11:30:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Art
Mercedes are by far the best for support on there older models , the only other company that even comes close is Porsche. I've a E-type & the only bodywork Jaguar can supply is a bonnet.

The classic centre seem to be hard work to deal with , Strangley the best factory to deal with is Maserati - a company thats gone bankrupt numerous times & had many owners , they can't supply parts but there archivist is realy helpful. Contact him for info & he normally gets back to you the next day.

The part nos for the cover plates are 110 683 02 01 which has been replaced by 123 683 00 10 for the covers under the rear seat and 110 683 01 10 which has been replaced by 123 683 00 10 for the boot/trunk floor . If you have access the the Mercedes EPC they are on section 68 01 for the 109

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Art Love

Australia
6226 Posts

Posted - 04/30/2009 :  18:14:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you. Found them.
Art
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pjtigger

United Kingdom
153 Posts

Posted - 05/11/2009 :  14:58:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thinks have been progressing along a little slower than i'd like . Both the inner & outer sills/rockers need to be replaced but the L/H inner is now NLA from Mercedes so its taken a bit of hunting to find a NOS one , fortunatly Karasch has one so i'm now waiting for it be be delivered anong with a couple of other NLA bits that he could supply.

While i'm waiting for the last panels i've been able to get on with a couple of other things.

Mercedes supply the inner sill as the 108 / short item so it needs extending but the extension bands are NLA so they need making (the hole & pressing in it seem to serve no use but i put them back as per the original)



I also need to ensure the sill is straight & the correct length when re-joining it so a couple of large box sections are used as a jig.

The finished sill & then tried up against the new outer (which is supplied by Mercedes in the extended length)


When i put the panels back its always my preference to spot weld then in where possible but fitting the floors causes a few problems because of how far the spot welds are from the edge . I've been planning on making a deep spot welder frame for some time but never quite got round to it but for this job it would be very useful (you can use long arms on the welder but you can't get a good pressure on the tips)

After a few days i now have a deep spot welder which will come in very uses full on some of the other projects to.


(the block of wood it just to support it while i take the photo )
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Ron B

Australia
11612 Posts

Posted - 05/11/2009 :  17:49:28  Show Profile  Visit Ron B's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I have seen on a couple of SEL'S that the outers were also extended panels. Mercedes Must have tooled up for the longer part later in the run. I like the idea of the longer spot welder ( I nolonger have one ,should have kept it) especially to get the factory look again.
Do you work from Home? What do your neighbours think?

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What the heck, try to stuff a MB 6.9 liter V8 in it. What a machine that would be..
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pjtigger

United Kingdom
153 Posts

Posted - 05/13/2009 :  11:27:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ron

On the outer sills Mercedes have not tooled up for the longer panel - you can see the weld on the inside where they have taken two short sills & welded then together .

The new spot welder is working great - i have now started fitting the floors . They have gone in much easier than expected the the welds look like factory originals



The design of the sills on this car seems to be vunerable to miss-jacking - if someone is not familiar with the car and tried to put a trolley jack in the wrong place on the sill (both inner and outer) can be easily damaged . I've been discussing with the owner about designing a central stiffner to go between the two halfs to prevent damage if someone does something silly. Not original but it would be invisible and prevent a lot of trouble if someone did something wrong (tyre fitters etc)

P.S i don't work from home - most of the photos are taken at a workshop i borrow from a friend
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Ron B

Australia
11612 Posts

Posted - 05/14/2009 :  17:55:52  Show Profile  Visit Ron B's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Two places you never lift any W110-109 Merc are the sills and the cross member behind the bumper. I have lot count of the bent ones I have seen. The Jack points are available new. I have seen a few US and German ebayers selling them too.

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pjtigger

United Kingdom
153 Posts

Posted - 06/14/2009 :  11:48:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
After much delay i can now carry on. The big holdup was the left hand inner sill . Its NLA from Mercedes but i eventually tracked a NOS one down at a German specialist . He shipped it to the UK but the courier failed to deliver it & held it in there depot for 2 weeks before sending it back to the supplier in Germany . The supplier resent it but when it arrived the supplier had sent the wrong part !! so it had to be returned . The correct part was then dispatched but the shippers attached the wrong post code to the parcel & were going to try & deliver it to a pub in south London , a few frantic phone calls got the parcel redirected & i now finally have the part (6 weeks from ordering to delivery !!).

The long awaited left hand inner sill


After lengthening (yes all that time & money & i had to cut it in half!) the sill was finally fitted



And the right hand one also in place now



The last panel that i have been looking for was the spare wheel well side (goes on the RH rear chassis rail) . Mercedes EPC showss this as a unique panel for the 6.3 & one could not be found anywhere . After studying the parts list i decided to take a chance & order the standard 108/109 non 6.3 panel as all the other panels it attaches to are common - the panel only needs to have a hole different for the manufacturers to give it a totally different part number. When the panel arrived from Mercedes the only difference was 2 additional smal screw holes . I don't know why none of the speciaist companies i contacted could have told me this & saved several weeks of phone calls .

Howefully i'll be able to bring the two halfs of the car back together next week
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pjtigger

United Kingdom
153 Posts

Posted - 09/02/2009 :  16:54:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I haven't posted an update for a long time as i've been rather busy - the owner of the 6.3 brought a 250SL but the engine was a bit sick (why it was so cheap!!) so i've been distracted with that for a while



The engine has just come back from the machine shop after line boring , sleeveing etc etc (glad its not my money)

The 6.3 now has its 2 halfs attached !



The owner was getting fedup with damaged sills/rockers on his Mercedes & so he aske me to add a stiffner between the inner & outer to try and prevent them distorting when someone not familliar with the car sticks a jack in the wrong place (i know its not original but it is invisible when the sills are on & should hopefully reduce the risk of damage) the front cross member also had a similar stiffener added.



Now that the back is finished i've moved onto the front. The front cross member had to be replaced and the top edge of the inner wings was badly corroded . New edges were fabricated and fitted . The stiffners on the inner wings were also replaced as the top edge was rotten . The left hand one on a RHD car is unavailable but a LHD one could be easilly modified (it has a step in it for the battery).



Things are moving on well now - i'm just fitting the outer sills/rockers & hopefully all the metalwork will be finished in a week or so



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Ron B

Australia
11612 Posts

Posted - 09/02/2009 :  22:39:34  Show Profile  Visit Ron B's Homepage  Reply with Quote
great idea!,another is to threaten any one responsible for lifting the car with a sore backside.
A point to remember is to never lift a complete 6.3 and let the front axle hang. There is too much weight on the two crossmember mount bushes and they will tear.

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What the heck, try to stuff a MB 6.9 liter V8 in it. What a machine that would be..
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Dan Smith

USA
1623 Posts

Posted - 09/03/2009 :  21:58:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
OK, all I can say is that I went through the photos and now have lapsed into a state of shock.
Is there a better way, (defined as economical and will end up a much more solid auto)?????
Why not buy a USA West Coast 6.3, yes the steering wheel is on the wrong side. Transfer whole systems to your Right Side Driver. The whole rear 1/3. Maybe the whole front except for your needed Right Side Driver equipment, AND the right sight frame part with your serial #. Maybe the entire cabin.
In the end you will have never rusted and solid parts.
As Ron, Chris and others have written, you guys in England deal with this stuff. Where we are here in the USA West Coast, no one deals with it, we part much better 6.3s out. What I don't understand is the Right Side driver difficulties. Maybe your trapped. Either way, your doing the Lords Work in the preservation job.
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pjtigger

United Kingdom
153 Posts

Posted - 09/24/2009 :  16:02:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well the metalwork is now just about finished !! I did a quick sum & it looks like its taken 750 hours to get to this stage !

The body shell in now booked in for stripping & e-coating (the body is submerged in a tank of paint just like a new shell) This should take about 4-6 weeks & then the rebuilding can start

I'll just post this picture for anyone who hasn't seen a 6.3 underneath (unless they've been runover by one )


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pjtigger

United Kingdom
153 Posts

Posted - 10/10/2009 :  14:39:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The body has now been shipped off for stripping & e-coating - should be about 4 weeks



And now onto the mechanicals



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pjtigger

United Kingdom
153 Posts

Posted - 11/12/2009 :  12:20:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The bodyshell arrived back late this evening , I managed to take a few photo's but it was getting dark . Once its unloaded i'll be able to get better ones





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Mike Freed

USA
826 Posts

Posted - 11/13/2009 :  09:22:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If anyone could ever say it, I believe you almost are at the perfection level on that car's foundation. Very well done and inspiring. Another great restoration is in progress.

Art and his family, you and others in the club, have preserved many MBs that will continue to keep the classic days of Mercedes alive and well. I'm glad to be a part of it by simply being a member and knowing of you all.

In the meantime, I keep my 6.3 driven and in front of faces at the local dealer from time to time, hoping they never will forget the history they ought to know.

Mike


Edited by - Mike Freed on 11/13/2009 09:27:39
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